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“Suicide Squad is great!  The critics just don’t get it!  All of the real fans love it!”

Rotten Tomatoes score is still at 27%.  One of the biggest names in the movie has come out saying that he hates it because it left him out.  The film has had the second biggest box office drop off in a week, beaten only by Batman Vs Superman…..

The movie was not good.  It wasn’t god awful and it had its moments, but it was still a bad movie and that’s certainly being reflected in the reviews and box office numbers both.

DC, why must you try so hard and fail so spectacularly at being Marvel?  Take your time, do your own thing, and for the love of all that’s good, don’t butcher your own characters.

Sausage party is higher. Does that mean that that’s a good film? I thought everyone agreed that Jared Leto was annoying and, as such, his opinions don’t matter. And box office drops mean very little. CA: CW dropped 74 percent in it’s second weekend. 

I thought everyone’s complaint was that They were trying to be different than Marvel. I lose track. It seems like people go back and forth on that depending on what the news is. I also thought people didn’t like how long it took Them to make a movie, what with that whole meme about how Marvel make more movies and are therefore better. They’re doing Their own thing in case you hadn’t noticed. Some people not liking doesn’t mean that They’re not. And I haven’t seen any characters butchered so far. 

Firstly, Cap dropped 59% in its second weekend, which is on the higher end for comic films, as opposed to 67% for Suicide Squad and 69% for BvS which are on the low end for any film.  Box office drops mean a fair bit.  The opening weekend numbers are typically a gauge for how well the studio did in marketing their film, whereas the second weekend numbers are a gauge for how well the film actually resonated with fans and how much said fans want more.

DC’s issue isn’t that they’re trying to be different from Marvel, it’s that they’re trying to catch up to Marvel and do it hard.  That’s why the second film in a series saw major characters pit against each other and against a world ending threat when next to none of them had been explored or built on.  Marvel’s where they’re at now because they took time, set up arcs and characters well in advance before bringing them into a group movie.  That’s why their films tend to be more focused, and even when they’re not great end up doing well for more than the first few days.  That same reason is why the last 2 DCEU films have been so split in reaction and ended up floundering after coming out, they’re playing catch up and it’s hurting them in the end.

Marvel makes more movies now because they’ve had the opportunity to build their cinematic universe, and it’s been stupidly profitable.  That the movies tend to be average to amazing on their own is a definite plus.  DC hasn’t taken the same amount of time or invested the same care in crafting their world for cinema and so pieces are missing that should be touched on, pieces which end up leaving holes that aren’t filled in the films so far.  Marvel went from film 1 to film 2 and so on and it’s worked.  DC went from film 1 to film 4 to film 7 and it’s hurting them.

DC has said that Suicide Squad needs to pull in at least $800 million to break even.  Globally it’s just over half of that after its second weekend, and is not slated to release in China so it making its goal is possible but unlikely.

As for characters being butchered, try Lex, Harley, Joker, Batman, Superman, Katana, Doomsday, Captain Boomerang, Rick Flag, Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen.  In the DCEU none of the characters come off like their comic counterparts, which at times is great and good, but more often is just done for the sake of being done and only detracts from the films when they’re already skipping so many steps.

I feel like the difference between Marvel and DC is that DC more often seems to be superheroes trying to be people, whereas Marvel more often seems to be people trying to be superheroes.

Reasons to watch Marvel’s Jessica Jones:

• Features a largely female cast, including a titular female lead
  
• Features multiple POC characters in major roles
  
• Features lesbian couples, and shows them experiencing the same troubles as straight couples
  
• Deals with themes of physical and mental violation, PTSD and abuse
  
• Features characters struggling with addiction, and treats it as a serious concern without shaming them
  
• Noir influenced setting and plot
  
• Features great buildup and pay off for a legitimately threatening and terrifying villain, played by David Tennant
  
• Deals with heavy and dark themes, but still manages to balance humor and sympathy to balance the narrative
• Connections to the greater MCU are limited and noninvasive
• etc.

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And it was really fuckin’ dark. I don’t mean in tone, I mean in color. Superman is about bright heroism and larger-than-life action and questioning what it means to be “human”. Not about being Batman: Son of Krypton.

Eeyup, and now Warner Bros is calling for more Batman, and more focus on Batman in Batman vs. Superman.  I find it hilarious that Snyder was throwing shade on Marvel for bringing in lesser known characters and making them important and iconic with their own films, when he can’t even capture the spirit of one of the most iconic comic characters of all time.

A part of that may just be DC’s media mindset in general, because they have had a nasty habit of Batman-ing things that don’t need to be Batman-ed (Arrow, Man of Steel).  Snyder said that BvS will do well because the characters are more mythological than bubblegum, because they’re more iconic but that’s as likely to work against him as for him, like it did with Man of Steel.  DC movies of late, and in general, focus SO MUCH on iconography, that they can drift away from fitting the characters they’re showing.

Marvel built their cinematic universe without their most iconic characters.  Prior to their movies, Iron Man was a B-lister, Cap was second class, and Thor was there.  Only the Hulk was really truly iconic, but look how things have changed.  Without Spiderman or the X-men in their arsenal Marvel has made a wildly successful multi-media franchise with twelve movies and 3 series all connected and generally well received.  Had DC not held on to the film rights for Batman or Superman, with their attitude they couldn’t begin to catch up.

Ant-Man:  Ridiculous concept, fantastic execution.

Great job, Marvel.  You’ve done well yet again.

I wonder if people who ask why Tony would have ever been reckless enough to create Ultron remember Iron Man 3.  He was dealing with some severe PTSD through the bulk of that film, and starts of AoU watching his friends dying and blaming him for it.  That kind of stuff makes you do some crazy things, and if those crazy things become crazy themselves when you’re not looking….yeah.

“There’s no Black Widow movie!  Marvel can’t do anything with female characters!”

Agent Carter starts soon.  Repeat, Agent Carter, a Marvel series that is canon with their cinematic universe and which has the female lead, titular character and certifiable badass Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell) starts very soon.

The good news: DC has revealed its movie schedule through 2020, including a Wonder Woman movie, the first modern comic adaptation to have a titular female lead.

The bad news: Because it’s DC there is a strong likelihood that these movies will be visually nice, but otherwise disappointing and potentially destructive of their properties. 

Marvel Studio’s second film of the year is out now, and after Captain America: Winter Soldier it has a lot to live up to.  Guardians of the Galaxy is without a doubt the riskiest move that the MCU has pulled so far, and it is receiving a lot of praise, but was the risk worth it, and does it fulfill the hype?

As always, spoilers after the break.

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