Bevendre

kennysamathedeviant:

bevendre:

kennysamathedeviant:

bevendre:

kennysamathedeviant:

prydonianrenegade:

comingupforblair:

bevendre:

“Suicide Squad is great!  The critics just don’t get it!  All of the real fans love it!”

Rotten Tomatoes score is still at 27%.  One of the biggest names in the movie has come out saying that he hates it because it left him out.  The film has had the second biggest box office drop off in a week, beaten only by Batman Vs Superman…..

The movie was not good.  It wasn’t god awful and it had its moments, but it was still a bad movie and that’s certainly being reflected in the reviews and box office numbers both.

DC, why must you try so hard and fail so spectacularly at being Marvel?  Take your time, do your own thing, and for the love of all that’s good, don’t butcher your own characters.

Sausage party is higher. Does that mean that that’s a good film? I thought everyone agreed that Jared Leto was annoying and, as such, his opinions don’t matter. And box office drops mean very little. CA: CW dropped 74 percent in it’s second weekend. 

I thought everyone’s complaint was that They were trying to be different than Marvel. I lose track. It seems like people go back and forth on that depending on what the news is. I also thought people didn’t like how long it took Them to make a movie, what with that whole meme about how Marvel make more movies and are therefore better. They’re doing Their own thing in case you hadn’t noticed. Some people not liking doesn’t mean that They’re not. And I haven’t seen any characters butchered so far. 

Because I have too much free time on my hands, I decided to dig a little deeper.  So far in 2016, a total of 17 films have debuted at number one.  I will list them below, along with their second weekend percentage drop:

1) Ride Along 2, 64.7%
2) Kung Fu Panda 3, 48.5%
3) Deadpool, 57.4%
4) Zootopia, 31.6%
5) Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, 69.1%
6) The Boss, 57.8%
7) The Jungle Book, 40.4%
8) Captain America: Civil War, 59.5%
9) Angry Birds, 50.8%
10) X-Men: Apocalypse, 65.3%
11) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, 59.3%
12) The Conjuring 2, 63.2%
13) Finding Dory, 46.0%
14) The Secret Life of Pets, 51.3%
15) Star Trek Beyond, 58.2%
16) Jason Bourne, 62.2%
17) Suicide Squad, 67.3%

Now, as you can see, of those 17 films, only 6–or slightly more than one-third of them–have dropped more than 60% in their second weekend.   Only four of them have dropped more than 64%–the two DCEU releases, X-Men: Apocalypse and Ride Along 2, both of which have also been reported on in the press as financial disappointments.

Now, does ANY of this make Suidcide Squad a bad film?  Absolutely not.  Neither does it mean that DCEU is destined to fail.  But 67% drops are absolutely NOT some new normal that should just be waved off and dismissed as meaningless.

It’s something that needs to be viewed in its proper context, which rests somewhere between “It’s the end of the (cinematic) universe as we know it!” and “Nothing to see here, folks!”

Civil War fell 74% on it’s second weekend. I know people would prefer to pretend it didn’t happen but it did, you may want to correct your figures.

I’ve checked the figures.  Captain America dropped 59.5% from its opening Thurs-Sunday weekend on its second Fri-Sunday weekend.  The 74% that you’re referring to was from the initial Thur-Friday opening in comparison to the second Friday.

For comparison, both BvS and Suicide Squad had Friday to Friday drops of 79% but higher overall weekend percentages.

I also checked, Civil War dropped 74% like you said, opening to second weekend, and BvS dropped 69% opening to second weekend.

A statement from variety:

“The superhero film earned $51.8 million, a 69% drop from its $166 million debut.” Here’s the article: http://variety.com/2016/film/news/batman-v-superman-box-office-second-weekend-drop-1201744845/ For Civil War, a statement from Forbes: “That’s a drop of 74.1% from last Friday’s mammoth (and Thursday-infused) $75.253m opening day, which is par for the course of late.” The article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/05/14/box-office-captain-america-civil-war-drops-74-still-tops-800m-worldwide/#6b5cc9382698

Check the links again.  The 69% drop for BvS is for the weekend totals, it dropped 79% Friday to Friday.  Civil War dropped 59.5% weekend to weekend but 74% Friday to Friday.

The article was written on a Monday, 4th of April, when the weekend was over. From it’s opening weekend to close of second weekend, BvS dropped 69%. Civil War’s article was written on Saturday May 14th, before the weekend was even up. From opening weekend to that Saturday, it fell 74%.

Again, READ YOUR ARTICLES AND CHECK YOUR LINKS.  The link you’re quoting saying 74% is the Friday-Friday for Civil War, for comparison here’s the article for Suicide Squad including BvS which dropped 79% and 81% respectively for the same time period:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/08/13/friday-box-office-suicide-squad-plunges-79-holding-no-better-than-batman-v-superman/#6b1163e66645

The 74% is only the comparison between the opening Thursday-Friday, and the following Friday.

The drop from the opening WEEKEND, Thursday-Sunday to the next full weekend, Friday-Sunday was 59.5%.  For the same time frame BvS dropped 69% and Suicide Squad dropped 67%

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kennysamathedeviant:

bevendre:

kennysamathedeviant:

prydonianrenegade:

comingupforblair:

bevendre:

“Suicide Squad is great!  The critics just don’t get it!  All of the real fans love it!”

Rotten Tomatoes score is still at 27%.  One of the biggest names in the movie has come out saying that he hates it because it left him out.  The film has had the second biggest box office drop off in a week, beaten only by Batman Vs Superman…..

The movie was not good.  It wasn’t god awful and it had its moments, but it was still a bad movie and that’s certainly being reflected in the reviews and box office numbers both.

DC, why must you try so hard and fail so spectacularly at being Marvel?  Take your time, do your own thing, and for the love of all that’s good, don’t butcher your own characters.

Sausage party is higher. Does that mean that that’s a good film? I thought everyone agreed that Jared Leto was annoying and, as such, his opinions don’t matter. And box office drops mean very little. CA: CW dropped 74 percent in it’s second weekend. 

I thought everyone’s complaint was that They were trying to be different than Marvel. I lose track. It seems like people go back and forth on that depending on what the news is. I also thought people didn’t like how long it took Them to make a movie, what with that whole meme about how Marvel make more movies and are therefore better. They’re doing Their own thing in case you hadn’t noticed. Some people not liking doesn’t mean that They’re not. And I haven’t seen any characters butchered so far. 

Because I have too much free time on my hands, I decided to dig a little deeper.  So far in 2016, a total of 17 films have debuted at number one.  I will list them below, along with their second weekend percentage drop:

1) Ride Along 2, 64.7%
2) Kung Fu Panda 3, 48.5%
3) Deadpool, 57.4%
4) Zootopia, 31.6%
5) Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, 69.1%
6) The Boss, 57.8%
7) The Jungle Book, 40.4%
8) Captain America: Civil War, 59.5%
9) Angry Birds, 50.8%
10) X-Men: Apocalypse, 65.3%
11) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, 59.3%
12) The Conjuring 2, 63.2%
13) Finding Dory, 46.0%
14) The Secret Life of Pets, 51.3%
15) Star Trek Beyond, 58.2%
16) Jason Bourne, 62.2%
17) Suicide Squad, 67.3%

Now, as you can see, of those 17 films, only 6–or slightly more than one-third of them–have dropped more than 60% in their second weekend.   Only four of them have dropped more than 64%–the two DCEU releases, X-Men: Apocalypse and Ride Along 2, both of which have also been reported on in the press as financial disappointments.

Now, does ANY of this make Suidcide Squad a bad film?  Absolutely not.  Neither does it mean that DCEU is destined to fail.  But 67% drops are absolutely NOT some new normal that should just be waved off and dismissed as meaningless.

It’s something that needs to be viewed in its proper context, which rests somewhere between “It’s the end of the (cinematic) universe as we know it!” and “Nothing to see here, folks!”

Civil War fell 74% on it’s second weekend. I know people would prefer to pretend it didn’t happen but it did, you may want to correct your figures.

I’ve checked the figures.  Captain America dropped 59.5% from its opening Thurs-Sunday weekend on its second Fri-Sunday weekend.  The 74% that you’re referring to was from the initial Thur-Friday opening in comparison to the second Friday.

For comparison, both BvS and Suicide Squad had Friday to Friday drops of 79% but higher overall weekend percentages.

I also checked, Civil War dropped 74% like you said, opening to second weekend, and BvS dropped 69% opening to second weekend.

A statement from variety:

“The superhero film earned $51.8 million, a 69% drop from its $166 million debut.” Here’s the article: http://variety.com/2016/film/news/batman-v-superman-box-office-second-weekend-drop-1201744845/ For Civil War, a statement from Forbes: “That’s a drop of 74.1% from last Friday’s mammoth (and Thursday-infused) $75.253m opening day, which is par for the course of late.” The article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/05/14/box-office-captain-america-civil-war-drops-74-still-tops-800m-worldwide/#6b5cc9382698

Check the links again.  The 69% drop for BvS is for the weekend totals, it dropped 79% Friday to Friday.  Civil War dropped 59.5% weekend to weekend but 74% Friday to Friday.

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kennysamathedeviant:

prydonianrenegade:

comingupforblair:

bevendre:

“Suicide Squad is great!  The critics just don’t get it!  All of the real fans love it!”

Rotten Tomatoes score is still at 27%.  One of the biggest names in the movie has come out saying that he hates it because it left him out.  The film has had the second biggest box office drop off in a week, beaten only by Batman Vs Superman…..

The movie was not good.  It wasn’t god awful and it had its moments, but it was still a bad movie and that’s certainly being reflected in the reviews and box office numbers both.

DC, why must you try so hard and fail so spectacularly at being Marvel?  Take your time, do your own thing, and for the love of all that’s good, don’t butcher your own characters.

Sausage party is higher. Does that mean that that’s a good film? I thought everyone agreed that Jared Leto was annoying and, as such, his opinions don’t matter. And box office drops mean very little. CA: CW dropped 74 percent in it’s second weekend. 

I thought everyone’s complaint was that They were trying to be different than Marvel. I lose track. It seems like people go back and forth on that depending on what the news is. I also thought people didn’t like how long it took Them to make a movie, what with that whole meme about how Marvel make more movies and are therefore better. They’re doing Their own thing in case you hadn’t noticed. Some people not liking doesn’t mean that They’re not. And I haven’t seen any characters butchered so far. 

Because I have too much free time on my hands, I decided to dig a little deeper.  So far in 2016, a total of 17 films have debuted at number one.  I will list them below, along with their second weekend percentage drop:

1) Ride Along 2, 64.7%
2) Kung Fu Panda 3, 48.5%
3) Deadpool, 57.4%
4) Zootopia, 31.6%
5) Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, 69.1%
6) The Boss, 57.8%
7) The Jungle Book, 40.4%
8) Captain America: Civil War, 59.5%
9) Angry Birds, 50.8%
10) X-Men: Apocalypse, 65.3%
11) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, 59.3%
12) The Conjuring 2, 63.2%
13) Finding Dory, 46.0%
14) The Secret Life of Pets, 51.3%
15) Star Trek Beyond, 58.2%
16) Jason Bourne, 62.2%
17) Suicide Squad, 67.3%

Now, as you can see, of those 17 films, only 6–or slightly more than one-third of them–have dropped more than 60% in their second weekend.   Only four of them have dropped more than 64%–the two DCEU releases, X-Men: Apocalypse and Ride Along 2, both of which have also been reported on in the press as financial disappointments.

Now, does ANY of this make Suidcide Squad a bad film?  Absolutely not.  Neither does it mean that DCEU is destined to fail.  But 67% drops are absolutely NOT some new normal that should just be waved off and dismissed as meaningless.

It’s something that needs to be viewed in its proper context, which rests somewhere between “It’s the end of the (cinematic) universe as we know it!” and “Nothing to see here, folks!”

Civil War fell 74% on it’s second weekend. I know people would prefer to pretend it didn’t happen but it did, you may want to correct your figures.

I’ve checked the figures.  Captain America dropped 59.5% from its opening Thurs-Sunday weekend on its second Fri-Sunday weekend.  The 74% that you’re referring to was from the initial Thur-Friday opening in comparison to the second Friday.

For comparison, both BvS and Suicide Squad had Friday to Friday drops of 79% but higher overall weekend percentages.

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downsideright:

prydonianrenegade:

comingupforblair:

bevendre:

“Suicide Squad is great!  The critics just don’t get it!  All of the real fans love it!”

Rotten Tomatoes score is still at 27%.  One of the biggest names in the movie has come out saying that he hates it because it left him out.  The film has had the second biggest box office drop off in a week, beaten only by Batman Vs Superman…..

The movie was not good.  It wasn’t god awful and it had its moments, but it was still a bad movie and that’s certainly being reflected in the reviews and box office numbers both.

DC, why must you try so hard and fail so spectacularly at being Marvel?  Take your time, do your own thing, and for the love of all that’s good, don’t butcher your own characters.

Sausage party is higher. Does that mean that that’s a good film? I thought everyone agreed that Jared Leto was annoying and, as such, his opinions don’t matter. And box office drops mean very little. CA: CW dropped 74 percent in it’s second weekend. 

I thought everyone’s complaint was that They were trying to be different than Marvel. I lose track. It seems like people go back and forth on that depending on what the news is. I also thought people didn’t like how long it took Them to make a movie, what with that whole meme about how Marvel make more movies and are therefore better. They’re doing Their own thing in case you hadn’t noticed. Some people not liking doesn’t mean that They’re not. And I haven’t seen any characters butchered so far. 

Because I have too much free time on my hands, I decided to dig a little deeper.  So far in 2016, a total of 17 films have debuted at number one.  I will list them below, along with their second weekend percentage drop:

1) Ride Along 2, 64.7%
2) Kung Fu Panda 3, 48.5%
3) Deadpool, 57.4%
4) Zootopia, 31.6%
5) Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, 69.1%
6) The Boss, 57.8%
7) The Jungle Book, 40.4%
8) Captain America: Civil War, 59.5%
9) Angry Birds, 50.8%
10) X-Men: Apocalypse, 65.3%
11) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, 59.3%
12) The Conjuring 2, 63.2%
13) Finding Dory, 46.0%
14) The Secret Life of Pets, 51.3%
15) Star Trek Beyond, 58.2%
16) Jason Bourne, 62.2%
17) Suicide Squad, 67.3%

Now, as you can see, of those 17 films, only 6–or slightly more than one-third of them–have dropped more than 60% in their second weekend.   Only four of them have dropped more than 64%–the two DCEU releases, X-Men: Apocalypse and Ride Along 2, both of which have also been reported on in the press as financial disappointments.

Now, does ANY of this make Suidcide Squad a bad film?  Absolutely not.  Neither does it mean that DCEU is destined to fail.  But 67% drops are absolutely NOT some new normal that should just be waved off and dismissed as meaningless.

It’s something that needs to be viewed in its proper context, which rests somewhere between “It’s the end of the (cinematic) universe as we know it!” and “Nothing to see here, folks!”

In 2015, AoU dropped 60% in it’s second week. It also made $11 million less than the first Avengers (worldwide). I know it’s not in the same year, but if numbers really do speak volumes (they do, but what they speak for seems to be the debate), what does it say about Marvel? Why wasn’t a big deal made about all of AoU’s flaws (make no mistake. It did have them)? Why wasn’t it being deemed a failure like Suicide Squad is? Why weren’t there “Trouble for Marvel” and “Can Marvel Recover from Age of Ultron’s failure?” headlines all over google?

I can answer that question: Because it wasn’t a failure. People liked it (probably less than the first one, but audiences–myself included–forgave the flaws that made it less enjoyable than the first one). Why everything the DCEU makes is considered a failure is beyond me. It fails in the eyes of critics, sure, but certainly not financially when you look at the big picture.

Even some of the actors from both DCEU and MCU (Sebastian Stan and Henry Cavil) have tried to dismiss rumors that there is any real rivalry going on. It seems critics and extreme fanatics on both sides like to create a bitter cutthroat rivalry where one doesn’t exist, because it’s more fun for them to thrive off negativity than anything positive.

Well put, @downsideright.  Personally I hope the DCEU turns around with Wonder Woman, because the belief that the DCEU is failing comes from seeing such sharp drops so early in the series.  Having 2 of the first 3 movies get bad word of mouth and see declines of more than 65% after a week is different matter from having a 60% decline in the second week for the 10th film in a series.

I hope they spring back and make good films, I love the universe and many of the characters, and so I really hope that the rest of the DCEU ends up tying together nicely.  It’s had a really rocky start from playing catch up.  Hopefully it’ll get into its own swing with Wonder Woman.

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I feel the need to repeat something I’ve said before: I didn’t grow up on comics, my introduction to both Marvel and DC was through cartoons and movies.  I didn’t touch anything Marvel outside of Spiderman and X-Men until the MCU started.  I grew up with DC shows like Batman the Animated Series, Justice League, Static Shock and Teen Titans.  I adore DC, and I have come to adore Marvel.

Regardless of whether I like a property or not, if it is making poor decisions and faltering because of them I’m going to point them out.  If I like the property I’m going to be harsher, if anything, because I want it to be good and do well, and seeing it settle for mediocrity is a shame.  That’s why I’m so critical about DC movies. I want to see a good Superman vs Batman.  I want to see a good Suicide Squad.  I don’t want to settle for crap because it’s all we’re likely to get given the recent and current track record.

Marvel’s been killing it in the cinema, DC’s been faltering hard.  Marvel’s been slacking in the animation from what I’ve seen, whereas DC’s been killing it in animated movies and struggling in animated serials.  Both offer good live action television on network and streaming, though personally I prefer Marvel’s approach in keeping everything tied together.

comingupforblair:

bevendre:

“Suicide Squad is great!  The critics just don’t get it!  All of the real fans love it!”

Rotten Tomatoes score is still at 27%.  One of the biggest names in the movie has come out saying that he hates it because it left him out.  The film has had the second biggest box office drop off in a week, beaten only by Batman Vs Superman…..

The movie was not good.  It wasn’t god awful and it had its moments, but it was still a bad movie and that’s certainly being reflected in the reviews and box office numbers both.

DC, why must you try so hard and fail so spectacularly at being Marvel?  Take your time, do your own thing, and for the love of all that’s good, don’t butcher your own characters.

Sausage party is higher. Does that mean that that’s a good film? I thought everyone agreed that Jared Leto was annoying and, as such, his opinions don’t matter. And box office drops mean very little. CA: CW dropped 74 percent in it’s second weekend. 

I thought everyone’s complaint was that They were trying to be different than Marvel. I lose track. It seems like people go back and forth on that depending on what the news is. I also thought people didn’t like how long it took Them to make a movie, what with that whole meme about how Marvel make more movies and are therefore better. They’re doing Their own thing in case you hadn’t noticed. Some people not liking doesn’t mean that They’re not. And I haven’t seen any characters butchered so far. 

Firstly, Cap dropped 59% in its second weekend, which is on the higher end for comic films, as opposed to 67% for Suicide Squad and 69% for BvS which are on the low end for any film.  Box office drops mean a fair bit.  The opening weekend numbers are typically a gauge for how well the studio did in marketing their film, whereas the second weekend numbers are a gauge for how well the film actually resonated with fans and how much said fans want more.

DC’s issue isn’t that they’re trying to be different from Marvel, it’s that they’re trying to catch up to Marvel and do it hard.  That’s why the second film in a series saw major characters pit against each other and against a world ending threat when next to none of them had been explored or built on.  Marvel’s where they’re at now because they took time, set up arcs and characters well in advance before bringing them into a group movie.  That’s why their films tend to be more focused, and even when they’re not great end up doing well for more than the first few days.  That same reason is why the last 2 DCEU films have been so split in reaction and ended up floundering after coming out, they’re playing catch up and it’s hurting them in the end.

Marvel makes more movies now because they’ve had the opportunity to build their cinematic universe, and it’s been stupidly profitable.  That the movies tend to be average to amazing on their own is a definite plus.  DC hasn’t taken the same amount of time or invested the same care in crafting their world for cinema and so pieces are missing that should be touched on, pieces which end up leaving holes that aren’t filled in the films so far.  Marvel went from film 1 to film 2 and so on and it’s worked.  DC went from film 1 to film 4 to film 7 and it’s hurting them.

DC has said that Suicide Squad needs to pull in at least $800 million to break even.  Globally it’s just over half of that after its second weekend, and is not slated to release in China so it making its goal is possible but unlikely.

As for characters being butchered, try Lex, Harley, Joker, Batman, Superman, Katana, Doomsday, Captain Boomerang, Rick Flag, Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen.  In the DCEU none of the characters come off like their comic counterparts, which at times is great and good, but more often is just done for the sake of being done and only detracts from the films when they’re already skipping so many steps.

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