bevendre

“Suicide Squad is great!  The critics just don’t get it!  All of the real fans love it!”

Rotten Tomatoes score is still at 27%.  One of the biggest names in the movie has come out saying that he hates it because it left him out.  The film has had the second biggest box office drop off in a week, beaten only by Batman Vs Superman…..

The movie was not good.  It wasn’t god awful and it had its moments, but it was still a bad movie and that’s certainly being reflected in the reviews and box office numbers both.

DC, why must you try so hard and fail so spectacularly at being Marvel?  Take your time, do your own thing, and for the love of all that’s good, don’t butcher your own characters.

comingupforblair

Sausage party is higher. Does that mean that that’s a good film? I thought everyone agreed that Jared Leto was annoying and, as such, his opinions don’t matter. And box office drops mean very little. CA: CW dropped 74 percent in it’s second weekend. 

I thought everyone’s complaint was that They were trying to be different than Marvel. I lose track. It seems like people go back and forth on that depending on what the news is. I also thought people didn’t like how long it took Them to make a movie, what with that whole meme about how Marvel make more movies and are therefore better. They’re doing Their own thing in case you hadn’t noticed. Some people not liking doesn’t mean that They’re not. And I haven’t seen any characters butchered so far. 

prydonianrenegade

Because I have too much free time on my hands, I decided to dig a little deeper.  So far in 2016, a total of 17 films have debuted at number one.  I will list them below, along with their second weekend percentage drop:

1) Ride Along 2, 64.7%
2) Kung Fu Panda 3, 48.5%
3) Deadpool, 57.4%
4) Zootopia, 31.6%
5) Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, 69.1%
6) The Boss, 57.8%
7) The Jungle Book, 40.4%
8) Captain America: Civil War, 59.5%
9) Angry Birds, 50.8%
10) X-Men: Apocalypse, 65.3%
11) Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2, 59.3%
12) The Conjuring 2, 63.2%
13) Finding Dory, 46.0%
14) The Secret Life of Pets, 51.3%
15) Star Trek Beyond, 58.2%
16) Jason Bourne, 62.2%
17) Suicide Squad, 67.3%

Now, as you can see, of those 17 films, only 6–or slightly more than one-third of them–have dropped more than 60% in their second weekend.   Only four of them have dropped more than 64%–the two DCEU releases, X-Men: Apocalypse and Ride Along 2, both of which have also been reported on in the press as financial disappointments.

Now, does ANY of this make Suidcide Squad a bad film?  Absolutely not.  Neither does it mean that DCEU is destined to fail.  But 67% drops are absolutely NOT some new normal that should just be waved off and dismissed as meaningless.

It’s something that needs to be viewed in its proper context, which rests somewhere between “It’s the end of the (cinematic) universe as we know it!” and “Nothing to see here, folks!”

downsideright

In 2015, AoU dropped 60% in it’s second week. It also made $11 million less than the first Avengers (worldwide). I know it’s not in the same year, but if numbers really do speak volumes (they do, but what they speak for seems to be the debate), what does it say about Marvel? Why wasn’t a big deal made about all of AoU’s flaws (make no mistake. It did have them)? Why wasn’t it being deemed a failure like Suicide Squad is? Why weren’t there “Trouble for Marvel” and “Can Marvel Recover from Age of Ultron’s failure?” headlines all over google?

I can answer that question: Because it wasn’t a failure. People liked it (probably less than the first one, but audiences–myself included–forgave the flaws that made it less enjoyable than the first one). Why everything the DCEU makes is considered a failure is beyond me. It fails in the eyes of critics, sure, but certainly not financially when you look at the big picture.

Even some of the actors from both DCEU and MCU (Sebastian Stan and Henry Cavil) have tried to dismiss rumors that there is any real rivalry going on. It seems critics and extreme fanatics on both sides like to create a bitter cutthroat rivalry where one doesn’t exist, because it’s more fun for them to thrive off negativity than anything positive.

bevendre

Well put, @downsideright.  Personally I hope the DCEU turns around with Wonder Woman, because the belief that the DCEU is failing comes from seeing such sharp drops so early in the series.  Having 2 of the first 3 movies get bad word of mouth and see declines of more than 65% after a week is different matter from having a 60% decline in the second week for the 10th film in a series.

I hope they spring back and make good films, I love the universe and many of the characters, and so I really hope that the rest of the DCEU ends up tying together nicely.  It’s had a really rocky start from playing catch up.  Hopefully it’ll get into its own swing with Wonder Woman.